Fascinating read Dan. I think Susan Rice who isn't mentioned fits into this quite well, that she's never ran for political office before becomes an advantage not a disadvantage under your proposition.
I think it was Hacks on Tap that they mentioned picking Susan Rice would give the GOP a Benghazi everything free pass. I can't believe I'm sitting here everyday worried(not panicking..obviously)over who the vice president pick will be :) Strange new times..
It's impossible to predict but i'm hopeful that after 8 years and the current reality of a pandemic, economic recession etc. the Benghazi attack lines just have less relevance and salience than they did in 2012. Let's see ;)
Solid analysis . . . and always enjoy the footnotes! Think a similar "governing"/apolitical case could be made for Susan Rice, too, even though she's definitely young enough to run for president in 2024 or 2028 as a successor to Joe Biden. (Tommy and Ben basically made this case on Pod Save The World this week.) What very much bugs me about all of the various on-background articles coming out is all the parochial sniping -- the criticisms of Kamala sound like (mostly male) Southern California Democrats upset that San Francisco politicians dominate the governor's office and both U.S. Senate seats; the Florida-based snipes at Karen Bass just sound like the only argument Val Demings supporters care to make when she offers much more; and the constant drumbeat about Elizabeth Warren being too much of a classic Massachusetts liberal sound so recycled.
The one contender who seems to avoid a lot of these snipes -- save from Chicago press -- appears to be Senator Tammy Duckworth of Illinois. Biden selecting the junior senator from Illinois four years into her first term (and who grew up in Hawaii) might be too on the nose, yet a lot of the Joe Biden campaign feels a bit like getting the 2012 Obama-Biden band back together, so, wouldn't shock me if Biden-Duckworth winds up as the winning ticket.
This is one reason why I believe that Gretchen Whitmer, who is an awesome governor would not be the best choice for VP. The other is that she doesn't have any experience in national politics. As you pointed out, he needs someone who can handle the job of being president in an emergency.
Not surprisingly, I agree with Dan. Never thought about it this way, but now...
I kept thinking of the Vice President as someone who I would trust to run the country incase of emergency, but always cringed at the fact that I wouldn't get a real primary come 2024. Although we had plenty of people on the debate stage, and I chose my person and followed them till the end of the line, the choice of Biden was one taken out of fear for a lot of people. Traumatized by the past 4 years and panicking about the future, we now have a safe and familiar pick, but like Dan says-not one that's really looking to change the future of the democratic party.
I'm literally on the edge of my seat waiting to see who he picked...
it’s an interesting line of reasoning! but i don’t see any way this hoped-for administration can actually stay out of the fight for the future of the party. even if the pick says she won’t run there will be constant speculation that she ultimately will. women cannot apologize our way into power. we must openly seek and wield it.
the future, and the fights for it, are coming whatever we do. with no less a task than to reconstitute and strengthen democracy itself this is no time to shrink, or skirt, or avoid. we need strength of vision and purpose. and that’s what i want to see in a VP.
Excellent! Couldn't the opposite argument be made however? I'd also think that, given a variety of factors such as age, knowledge that this is most likely a four-year rental if *fingers-crossed* Biden is elected, etc., wouldn't Democrats and the country as a whole feel more secure knowing that his VP would be willing and ready to become / run for President if need be? I think I'd be.
I think there is a difference between being qualified/willing to step in and planning to run. If she's planning to run (and Biden signals that he won't run for re-election), then she will be focused on the campaign for half of his term instead of her main focus on being a governing partner.
Fascinating read Dan. I think Susan Rice who isn't mentioned fits into this quite well, that she's never ran for political office before becomes an advantage not a disadvantage under your proposition.
I think it was Hacks on Tap that they mentioned picking Susan Rice would give the GOP a Benghazi everything free pass. I can't believe I'm sitting here everyday worried(not panicking..obviously)over who the vice president pick will be :) Strange new times..
It's impossible to predict but i'm hopeful that after 8 years and the current reality of a pandemic, economic recession etc. the Benghazi attack lines just have less relevance and salience than they did in 2012. Let's see ;)
Also-upon further thought while listening to Dan and Alyssa- I'm so over us thinking about out pick as far as who will get less fire from the GOP
Solid analysis . . . and always enjoy the footnotes! Think a similar "governing"/apolitical case could be made for Susan Rice, too, even though she's definitely young enough to run for president in 2024 or 2028 as a successor to Joe Biden. (Tommy and Ben basically made this case on Pod Save The World this week.) What very much bugs me about all of the various on-background articles coming out is all the parochial sniping -- the criticisms of Kamala sound like (mostly male) Southern California Democrats upset that San Francisco politicians dominate the governor's office and both U.S. Senate seats; the Florida-based snipes at Karen Bass just sound like the only argument Val Demings supporters care to make when she offers much more; and the constant drumbeat about Elizabeth Warren being too much of a classic Massachusetts liberal sound so recycled.
The one contender who seems to avoid a lot of these snipes -- save from Chicago press -- appears to be Senator Tammy Duckworth of Illinois. Biden selecting the junior senator from Illinois four years into her first term (and who grew up in Hawaii) might be too on the nose, yet a lot of the Joe Biden campaign feels a bit like getting the 2012 Obama-Biden band back together, so, wouldn't shock me if Biden-Duckworth winds up as the winning ticket.
Love the getting the Obama-Biden band back together comment!
Dan is the king of footnotes. I even made a shirt about his footnotes and wore it to his book tour stop in SF heheh
This is one reason why I believe that Gretchen Whitmer, who is an awesome governor would not be the best choice for VP. The other is that she doesn't have any experience in national politics. As you pointed out, he needs someone who can handle the job of being president in an emergency.
Not surprisingly, I agree with Dan. Never thought about it this way, but now...
I kept thinking of the Vice President as someone who I would trust to run the country incase of emergency, but always cringed at the fact that I wouldn't get a real primary come 2024. Although we had plenty of people on the debate stage, and I chose my person and followed them till the end of the line, the choice of Biden was one taken out of fear for a lot of people. Traumatized by the past 4 years and panicking about the future, we now have a safe and familiar pick, but like Dan says-not one that's really looking to change the future of the democratic party.
I'm literally on the edge of my seat waiting to see who he picked...
92 more days guys...
it’s an interesting line of reasoning! but i don’t see any way this hoped-for administration can actually stay out of the fight for the future of the party. even if the pick says she won’t run there will be constant speculation that she ultimately will. women cannot apologize our way into power. we must openly seek and wield it.
the future, and the fights for it, are coming whatever we do. with no less a task than to reconstitute and strengthen democracy itself this is no time to shrink, or skirt, or avoid. we need strength of vision and purpose. and that’s what i want to see in a VP.
Excellent! Couldn't the opposite argument be made however? I'd also think that, given a variety of factors such as age, knowledge that this is most likely a four-year rental if *fingers-crossed* Biden is elected, etc., wouldn't Democrats and the country as a whole feel more secure knowing that his VP would be willing and ready to become / run for President if need be? I think I'd be.
I think there is a difference between being qualified/willing to step in and planning to run. If she's planning to run (and Biden signals that he won't run for re-election), then she will be focused on the campaign for half of his term instead of her main focus on being a governing partner.
Totally agree, I see your point!
Does Warren fit into this box or do you think she would be looking to run again in 4 or 8 years?
Warren and Harris could end up having more of an impact as Senators if the Democrats take the Senate.
It's of the reasons why I think Susan Rice would be a good pick for VP.