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Hi C.P, I’m 81 years old, and to use your word, there’s nothing fucking wrong with my brain. I’ve never been sharper ! Guess it must be all those years of acquired knowledge and amazing experience.

Which makes me 20 years smarter than you, as it seems.

After watching this split screen, Biden doesn’t need to campaign, just pull up the section from his SOTU speech on any topic, and then run any chosen occasion when Trump speaks… in which he never really says anything. It’s so

fucking clear who has a brain.

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67 next week here, and not fucking dead yet. Age, like everything else about a person, is relative. Watch what President Biden does. He is more than capable. And if something were to befall him, we have a more than capable Vice President. Which he knows.

The election of Trump would be an unspeakable and final tragedy for all of us.

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Hi, Elaine. I'm going to post separately so this is not personal to your post, ok?

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C.P. What ever you proposed didn’t work

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It's March and the cherry blossoms are just now coming out here in the Pacific Northwest.

Spring equinox was 4 days ago.

New beginnings are appearing all around us.

November is a loooooooooooong way away.

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***FACTS THAT PROVE THE ‘AGE ISSUE’ IS TOTAL MALARKEY***

Fun Fact 1: If Dumbo is elected and lives full term, he will end up being the oldest president ever, right? Then why the hell is there such a big deal about the useless “AGE ISSUE”, knowing that whoever is elected will end up being the oldest president ever? Besides that, Biden is an effective leader, and dump is of course………..dump.

Fun Fact 2: The age of the last three presidents to die were Bush1 – 94, Ford – 93, and Reagan – 93. Current living Presidents are Carter – 100 this year, Clinton, Bush2, and dump all 78 this year. Obama is 63 this year and President Biden will be 82 two weeks after the election.

Fun Fact 3: The current average longevity of men is 78, by which metric the last three presidents to die outlived the average by +16, +15 and +15 years respectively. Jimmy Carter has outlived the average by +22 years. The healthcare afforded Presidents is the very best in the world in and out of office.

Fun Fact 4: Dump will achieve average longevity this year at 78, and we all know he is below average in all things except his weight. He does fit the profile of an unhealthy lifestyle, which could leave him with a below average age at death. All of this may mean absolutely nothing, but then again, at a minimum, some fun facts and something to think about. What do you think?

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I am a 76 year old woman. My body is not as strong as it used to be, sometimes it takes me a few minutes to recall a memory, and I need a little help with housekeeping, BUT I definitely know a con-man when I see one. President Biden has both the experience and the assistance he needs to continue. We are at a crossroad. President Biden’s accomplishments to date have been astounding.

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I wish we could eliminate the word "entitlements" when talking about various benefits, such as Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Entitlement means to have a right to something (a positive connotation), but it also means that you believe you're inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment (a negative connotation). Most people pick up on the negative connotation. Words have meaning. I'm against raising the age limit, decreasing the benefits and most importantly, privatizing these benefits because financial institutions do not have our best interests at heart and don't need more revenue. I am in favor of eliminating the wage cap ($168,600 for 2024), or at least significantly raising it. This would provide much needed funding for these programs. Disclosure: I'm retired and receive Social Security and I've been paying into it since I was 16 years old. I retired at 69, and while it is my right to receive Social Security it isn't a special privilege.

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It's Republicans who insist on using the word "entitlements," and they do it for exactly the reasons that you and I don't like the word: to suggest that they're unearned privileges. They want their white base to visualize a stereotypical welfare recipient -- and to totally forget about their parents or grandparents or even themselves on Social Security and Medicare.

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I guess they are too stupid to realize that many in their base need those social security checks and won't be happy if they are taken away.

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Here’s what I’m saying to my MAGA family who lose their minds if I ever even mention that trump is less than a god, “Depending on the outcome of the election, there is a good chance your monthly Social Security and Medicare benefits could be cut or even disappear completely. So, now would be a good time to start looking at your budget to figure out how you could survive without it.”

On the socials, I’ll also attach one of these links and will change my wording to encouraging my contacts to reach out to anyone on a fixed income that relies on these programs so they can figure out how their budget will be affected. It sort of sounds like the Joe Lieberman (weak and marginally effective at best) of messaging but it’s the best way to make my point without being completely tuned out.

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I’m reading C.J. Sansom’s Tombland, set in 16th C England during the aftermath of Henry VIII’s death. A recurring theme of the novel is the view of the landed class that the first aim of an economy is to allow gentlemen to live like gentlemen—it’s tough to be poor and all, but what can you do? The Republican view of “entitlements” is exactly the same—Social Security and Medicare shouldn’t get in the way of the well-off living as high as they can and of passing on as much wealth as they can. Consequently, rather than shore up and expand entitlements, they must be cut. This perspective is literally medieval.

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I'm a 73, a retired teacher and retired USCG/USN. Entitlements? Yes I'm ENTITLED to my pensions and social security because I EARNED the first two and PAID for the second!

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Having a speech

impediment as a young person, Biden’s has worked hard to overcome his stuttering. When he gets an ‘attack’, by the time he’s back in control he can sometimes drop a word making him appear forgetful, and a great place for the

‘attack reporters’ to

delightful swoop in.

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Folks, ignore the obvious jerks that are trying to keep us from communicating with each other.

We can ignore them when they’re obviously trying to hog the conversation.

This is a great space for us to share ideas.

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I wonder if there is an angle that the trump team is betting on for younger voters - entitlements are for those baby boomers, old people like Biden- or something like that? I always wonder what analytics the right gets after the Cambridge Analytica deep dive that went on in 2015 - are they appealing to young voters that can’t afford housing - the life their parents had - is it an appeal to young latino voters. There is so little policy ever mentioned - why this now? At the same time CEPAC is calling the AARP demonic. I know his reversal on TikTok was transactional - but is he also appealing to young voters - a challenge for Biden and the democrats - curious about the unanimous senate vote on that and Biden’s declaration that he will sign it. Do we have any view into those echo chambers - are there analysts on the side of democracy that have a view into the myriad of information silos? We often have reports on right wing disinformation, but see very little on the disinformation on the left - that especially affects younger voters. Ok I will take off my tinfoil hat now.

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I assume from reading these posts that lots here don’t believe something extremely important:

The US will no longer be a democracy if TFG is elected.

Really does anything else matter.

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Lots of the cnbc moderators are fairly progressive, but the host you mentioned definitely isn’t.

Problem: An investment channel has to keep the attention of a mostly conservative audience. The rich can’t relate and live in their own world. The poor don’t have the resources to find better news outlets.

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That poor sad man with his poor sad toupee is a trump sycophant that is way past his expiration date. I quit watching CNBC twenty years ago because of this Donnie Douchebag Doppelganger.

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delightfully swoop in

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First off, Fat Donny will privatize Social Security and Medicare. Bank on it.

Second, we agree on a lot, but:

I'm 61, 20 years younger than Biden and he's too fucking old.

86% of America agrees with me. 86%.

We agree on nothing to that level of engagement. Even the poll listed in Dan's article shows 72%-ish want someone younger.

When did America agree on anything at a 70%+ level and still get nothing?? Nothing! Nothing for you, it will be Biden.

Just like It Will Be Hillary 2016.

I'm forgetting more than I used to. I don't have the same focus or energy. I can't find words as fast as I used to.

This is not entertaining to observe, discuss or admit publicly. It's also incredibly frustrating when we watch eloquent, articulate leaders wither.

I'm 61. I know what I'm saying.

Oh, and Gaza. Ukraine. Yemen, Somalia, Venezuela, Taiwan, Money In Politics, every other fucking thing we are not even discussing because we're still fucking talking about age.

People will follow Biden if he offers an end to this constant bullshit, not a Democrat Party Platter. The Party Platter changes nothing in government.

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“Yes, President Biden is older, but with age comes wisdom and experience. President Biden’s experience is why he has been able to pass historic legislation to improve the economy, prevent gun violence, lower the cost of prescription drugs, and help veterans in a narrowly divided Congress. President Biden’s steady leadership stands in stark contrast to the chaos, criminality and incompetence of Donald Trump. This election is not a referendum on whether an 81-year-old should serve another four years as President. The election is a choice between a decent, accomplished 81-year-old man who cares about you and an incompetent, chaotic 77-year-old criminal who only cares about himself.” Dan Pfeiffer, The Message Box”

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This election is not SUPPOSED TO BE a referendum on whether an 81-year-old should serve another four years as President.

Ok, I understand your support.

Just like we tell Republicans they can have their bullshit agenda without Fat Donny, the United States can have a Democrat President and fulfill a healthy agenda without Biden.

Why must we defend him? Why is this even a question?

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I'm sorry you seem to be in such bad shape when you're only 61 -- are you perhaps projecting your own frailties onto President Biden? I'm 72 going on 73, working 3/4 time at a job that requires sharp mental faculties and a good memory. I'm not the only one who thinks I'm very good at it. One of my grandmothers was still horseback riding (and mucking out stalls) at 80. My other grandmother died a week before her 105th birthday. So maybe that helps explain why I have a different take on the age issue. Even more important, President Biden is doing a damn good job in very difficult circumstances, and I vote to let him keep doing it.

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Susanna. we have our very own troll I am afraid. Would have never thought we would see one of these on Dan's site. I am polite in my description of him as a Gadfly, but annoying and provocateur are as good too.

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Please read my separate comment so this is not personal.

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Great comment!

I am 75. I remember the lyrics to hundreds of songs from the 70s, I still can recite the 35 most used English prepositions (in alphabetic order) that Sister Mary Josephine terrified me to memorize in the 5th grade, and the names of my children and granchildren. But somehow I can’t remember why I came into the kitchen. So I decided to comment on your great post.

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Whoo, listen to cowgirl go! Go, cowgirl, go!

Just listen to your own judgements about yourself! You are amazing! Grandma too!

Surely I'm just a frail old guy who's fading fast.

Is that really your argument?

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No. I, and others in this thread, are just suggesting that you not measure President Biden's capabilities by the yardstick of your own experience. And maybe don't run for president?

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I don't plan on wasting my time on non personal separate comments, whatever that is. What about you Susanna?

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Please read my separate comment so this is not personal.

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Why spend all this energy complaining uselessly about Biden’s age? And—being 14 years older than you-—why judge Biden’s aging process based on your own subjective process?

Fact is, unless a medical emergency intervenes, Biden is going to be the nominee. I know you disfavor Harris, but people thought the same about Truman and T. R. In their day.

These days there are no “party elders” to step in and replace the ticket, and if anyone tried, the next 7 1/2 months would be taken up with that.

With a candidate like Trump, whose instincts all seem to be taking up unpopular issues and taking the unpopular position, who has the pressure and stress of his legal challenges, it seems like we should all keep our eye on the ball.

A new decision tree to replace the ticket is by no means the ball.

Excellent new book -Why We Remember (and Forget). By Charan Ranganath. He recently wrote an op-ed about President Biden's and Trump’s memory gaffes and to him, the un-alarming reasons that appear to be the cause.

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"These days there are no “party elders” to step in and replace the ticket, and if anyone tried, the next 7 1/2 months would be taken up with that."

But that is not the problem, right? The DNC has no successor(s), no party planning... looks a lot like organizational failure from the outside.

Instead, I am the problem. I should not make any issues as there is Just Not Enough Time!

Is that your argument?

And I Favor Harris, not disfavor. Maybe that was a typo.

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It’s sometimes hard to answer you, as you base your question or challenge on some off the wall assumption. The role of the DNC changes as its leaders change and as cultural attitudes shift. But it was never its role to do succession planning or to pave the path to leadership in any formal way.

You seem to be evoking a pre1970s version of the Dem party where, for example, RFK and JFK, with few primaries, tried to impress certain party bosses (like Richard Daley in Chicago) who controlled donors, volunteer groups, sometimes blocs of voters, and what we would call today “very dark money”. That was the path to nomination.

Those days are gone. Reforms of the 70s and 80s put control of the nomination in the hands of the voters, through caucuses and primaries. There are not even super-delegates anymore (unless there’s some tiny vestige that I don’t know about).

As to continuing to flog the dead horse of Biden’s age, why not take up the issue of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution? They have the appeal of being moot points.

As the mileposts of reality pass by, most of us will be working very hard to get the Biden/Harris ticket elected. Few of us will spend any time shaking our fists snd yelling at the clouds.

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Slavish loyalty to a Biden Harris ticket is ignoring input from Independents as well as ignoring 70%+ of American opinion.

DNC leadership does not succession plan or plan for leadership?

Well, sorry, the DNC can fuck right off then. What a clown show.

All they do is focus on... what?

MONEY, baby. They focus on MONEY.

That's a double fuck off.

Defend age all you want, it does not move me. Just ask, would you be white hot in defense of senility if Biden was NOT running? Or would you give zero fucks on the absolute cognition of a single 81-year old?

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"This election is not SUPPOSED TO BE a referendum on whether an 81-year-old should serve another four years as President." Very wise word indeed sir. BUT, the media needs to make lots of money and this was their best and quite frankly only path forward. So here we are and The President not to shy away from a fight has to tell an intelligence eroding populace that he has a performance record that negates the age issue. BUT, the times and post say nay , nay we make more money on a horse race so guess what, we are going to hound the issue right into the ground.

"Why must we defend him? Why is this even a question?" Obviously as a subscriber to the message box you might be familiar with the writings of one Mr. Dan Phifer. A very wise man in deed, a very wise man indeed! Dan answers your main question daily. At some point over the next 235 days or so I have an idea that your epiphany will come and BINGO, No more questions, nothing more than going to the voting booth and casting your vote gladly for Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. PERIOD.

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TIL his middle name is Robinette. That's pretty much it.

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*This is a partial list of President Biden’s accomplishments that led to our recovery and represents the efforts of a “workhorse President” that will whip the rump of the former “show horse President” this fall. Passed much needed legislation to give hope for prosperity after trump mangled the pandemic and led an insurrection to overthrow the government. Lowered the unemployment rate from 6.3% to 3.7%. Unemployment rate below 4% longest period in 50 years Created 15 million jobs in a little over 3 years (a record) Bidenomics grew the economy at a rate of 3.1% last year Reduced inflation to 1.9% from 9% United the West to help Ukraine fight Russia Passed the first gun safety legislation in thirty years Passed: Bipartisan Infrastructure Legislation, The Electoral Count Act, Science and Chips Act, Respect For Marriage Act, American Rescue Plan, PACT Act, Inflation Reduction Act of 2022. Fights daily to save democracy from creeping fascism Joe Biden is one of the greatest and most timely essential Presidents in our history. Reelection of Biden is mandatory if we want to maintain our democratic republic. “A lady asked Benjamin Franklin, what have we got a republic or a monarchy – A republic replied Franklin if you can keep it.” A republic or a monarchy? A Pro Democracy Party or a Pro Putin Party? We all get to decide.

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*Further comment as promised/threatened:

So much spice. So very much. Biden vs Trump and there is no other world now, everything must fit that worldview.

Here is my experience. Maybe other non-Democrats can relate.

Independents: We want reform!

Democrats: WE ARE THE PARTY OF REFORM

Independents: Ok, let's start with money--

Democrats: lol no

Independents: But you said--

Democrats: WE ARE THE PARTY OF REFORM

Independents: Hang on, we're not seeing you do any kind of--

Democrats: WE ARE THE PARTY OF REFORM

Independents: ... fuck.

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